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Poster: Spuzz Date: May 30, 2004 5:22am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Those Darned Japanese!

So, this film is particularily amazing for all the double talking going on.. I mean, who were the US Government trying to kid?? Calling the Japanese "evacuees" and treating this as almost some spa getaway in the middle of the desert. I wonder how many Japanese got to go home after all of those "secuirity clearances" they apparently had to go through.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 30, 2004 10:01am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese!

The doubletalk and euphemisms really got to me, and I was pretty depressed by the end of the film.

They're not concentration camps, they're "wartime communities" and "relocation centers".

There were no religious restrictions! Oh wait, except a ban on State Shinto.

They get a 20 x 25 foot room, and they can decorate it any way they want! Oh wait, all their furniture from home is "in storage".

Oh look, they get paid! Oh, wait, low wages. And even so, they have to draw on their savings.

The most painfully ironic line has to be the bit about how "Americanism loses much of its meaning..." inside the camps. No kidding!

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Poster: Steve Nordby Date: May 31, 2004 7:54am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese!

"Americanism loses much of its meaning..." acompanied by footage of a white MP with rifle at the ready.

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Poster: cashel Date: Jun 1, 2004 10:26am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese! and DANGER

The soldier was armed because there were dangerous men in that camp and they were prepared to try anything to prove their fanatical belief in Japanese superiority and divine right to conquer and rule the world. For confirmation, ask any one who resided in a japanese prisoner of war camp.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jun 1, 2004 11:16pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese! and DANGER

While there was a possibility that some of the internees were a danger to United States security, there is no evidence of it.

This whole scenario, where the US rounds up potentially dangerous people and puts them in camps is currently being played out at Guantanamo. Some of the people there are doubtless a threat, some of them aren't. But it is unjust to imprison people without charging them with a specific crime.

If people of the same ethnicity as you were a potential danger to Australia, would it be okay for Australia to put you in a camp? Without charging you with any crimes?

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Poster: summerseve Date: Jun 1, 2004 10:58am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese! and DANGER

So...if the US went to war with Australia, you'd have no problem being locked up in a camp and guarded by armed men?

With no drapes?

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Poster: cashel Date: Jun 1, 2004 11:16am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese! and DANGER

TRAFALGAR please explain { I have never contemplated the scenario that you have presented{

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Poster: summerseve Date: Jun 1, 2004 10:38pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese! and DANGER

Your comments above don't seem to make a distinction between Japanese, and Americans of Japanese heritage. And you imply that the camps were justified. So I've simply placed you in the same situation theoretically, and asked what you would think of it. If I've misinterpreted you, forgive me.
However, in the context of discussing the film (last-ditch effort here), maybe we should all try and wrap our heads around this for a moment. What would it have been like for us? Either as Japanese-Americans, or any other kind of Americans. We always think we live in a more enlightened time. But what would we REALLY have done?

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Poster: cashel Date: May 31, 2004 8:12am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese!

after ten years of war in china, the japenese nation had lost any claim to decency. They used their state religion to justify the most dreadful atrocities,. The civilised world, in 1942, lived in terror that Japan would triumph.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: May 31, 2004 8:34am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Those Darned Japanese!

The people in question were not citizens of Japan, they were Americans.

Meanwhile, even the citizens of Japan weren't responsible for the actions of the Japanese military any more than you are responsible for the actions of American Soldiers in Abu Ghraib.

Unless, of course, you are Donald Rumsfeld.